My recollection is that I never saw him use a slip stroke. This was watching him play a match to 125 and then doing trick shots. My opinion as to whether Willie Mosconi used a slip stroke is based upon seeing him in person five times, give or take a time, in the late 60's early 70's. Regardless, here is what I am saying and about as far as I'm willing to go on this and then you guys can continue the "civil debate' on your own. You actually had me on the "civil debate" thing for half a second until the "revered deity" and " -)". So don't get your hackles up because we're talking about the revered deity, Mr. And, as always, I mean this respectfully for civil debate. Later on, if I get some time where I can sequester myself in a quiet place (away from prying eyes that will tattle "our consultant is watching pool videos" ), I can go through the video and time-mark the instances I'd like to point out to you? So if Mosconi had the same thing - setup forward of perpendicular, and "last second grip adjustment" on the delivery stroke - what's the big deal with recognizing it for what it is, a slip stroke? And all three had their setup forward of perpendicular. Slip strokes come in all shapes and sizes - in fact, the first three names I mentioned had long unmistakable slip strokes Ervolino had a short, compact slip stroke that you had to watch carefully to see, but it was definitely there. I even wrote-up a " Slip-stroke HowTo" here on AZB itself.Īre you guys taking the slip-stroke as a negative thing, or something? If so, I don't know why several of the greats in our sport's history used it - Jimmy Moore, Cisero Murphy, Cornbread Red, Johnny Ervolino, etc. I used to use a slip-stroke, Lou, before I converted to a snooker style. In fact, the forward-of-perpendicular thing is the common setup for a slip-stroke, since it requires "room ahead of time" for the grip hand to slip backwards. It's mild (only an inch or two), but it is there. (The reason why I say this, is because I'd like to show you, at certain time-marks in the video, what I'm about to explain to you.)īoth of you correct me if I'm wrong, but if Willie "adjusts his grip" on the delivery stroke itself (or "squeezes it in" as Lou refers to it), isn't that the very definition of a slip stroke? In the video link I shared above, in the occasional shots where Willie's grip hand is visible, several of them show a "grip adjustment" on the delivery stroke itself. I can only reply quickly, since I'm at work at a customer site and can't view any YouTube videos due to this company's firewall policy. A material that doesn't stick to the skin - like cloth - is much better for a slip stroke. You actually have to fully let go of the cue and "catch" it during the slip-and-regrip, which introduces an undesirable wobble and loss of accuracy. Wrapless cues are actually somewhat difficult to do a free-and-easy slip stroke on, because the skin of the hand actually tends to "bond" or stick onto the glossy surface of the cue. On some videos of Cowboy Jimmy Moore, you can actually hear his slip-and-regrip phase - it makes a "zzzzzip!" sound, just like a lower-pitched version of when a guitarist slides his/her fretting hand on the guitar strings to reposition for the next chord. The reason is precisely to accommodate slip-strokers. This "burnishes" the Linen such that it is very slippery, more so than just roller-pressed. And not to get too far off track, but it deserves mention, is a trick that old-timers used to do - beyond roller-pressing the Irish Linen - was to press a flat piece of Ash wood against the Linen as the cue is spun on a lathe.
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